Theme Song And Space Hype

Craig 0:02

You're listening to Basket Traffic. It is interesting though. I just mean is I was thinking about it.

Shawn 0:09

No, it's not.

Craig 0:14

It it is nice to have some kind of like jingle or something that you know introduces or just gets us.

Susie 0:20

Do I hear a new song?

Shawn 0:22

Wow. That's revolutionary. Are you talking about a theme song?

Susie 0:26

Whoa.

Shawn 0:27

100% of shows have that.

Susie 0:32

We do too.

Shawn 0:33

We I know.

Susie 0:34

We have that. Yeah.

Craig 0:35

Well, how about this theme song?

Susie 0:36

Oh.

Audio Clip 0:39

Go for ALF. Great call out. The rocket is on its own. Four brave explorers, ready to ride the most powerful rocket. NASA has ever launched.

Craig 0:53

Shawn, you're in this, aren't you?

Audio Clip 0:55

Sounds good.

Shawn 0:55

That's my voice.

Audio Clip 0:59

And here we go. Ten. Nine. Eight. Seven. RS 25 engines lit. Four. Three. Two.

Shawn 1:09

I changed my mind. That would be me.

Susie 1:13

I don't wanna go.

Audio Clip 1:23

Artemis two now bound for the moon. Humanity's next great voyage begins. Houston, now controlling the flight of integrity. Artemis.

Craig 1:51

There we go.

Shawn 1:54

Houston, we have a problem. How many times am I gonna say that today? Somebody call Vegas and see what the over-under is on how many times I'm gonna say that. And by the way, did you know it's actually not Houston we have we have a problem?

Craig 2:06

It's had.

Shawn 2:06

It's "Houston, we've had a problem". Did you know that?

Craig 2:10

I did know that.

Shawn 2:11

They changed it for the movie. Oh yeah. Did you know that NASA stands for National Aeronautics uh Space Agency? That's all I got. That's as far as I got.

Susie 2:23

So So Houston, we had a problem.

Shawn 2:27

For the movie, they wanted it like present-tense, like so that people were engaged and not like we've had a problem. Like that it already happened.

Craig 2:35

Well, it's kind of fun to watch the takeoff. I think part of the reason why I'm such a big sci-fi guy is because I've just always loved the whole outer world concept and just watching these rockets take off. And it gets you all excited.

Artemis II And Something To Cheer

Shawn 2:52

Super excited. It's unbelievable that people do that, that people are sitting on ...all that power

Craig 3:00

potentially die and explore. But uh, you know, on the heels of Project Hail Mary, uh, we have a lot of things coming together, don't we? We have we've done Project Hail Mary and then Artemis II just coincided with this.

Shawn 3:13

And yeah, it's kind of interesting because we I think we needed um this right now, don't you? In the world. Yeah, absolutely. Like to have something to cheer for. And it was kind of what we were talking about with with Project Hail Mary. By the way, we did uh, you know, a little show on on Project Hail Mary last week. And if you're gonna do a show on a movie, you should probably learn um the title of the movie because I realized that I said the Hail Mary project like oh yeah four times last week. And I'm like, no, it's Project Hail Mary. So learn what the movie's actually the title. Yeah. That's a good, good thing. But yeah, no, it's nice to have something to cheer for. Well, and you know, and be invested in because there's so many terrible things happening right now in the world.

Craig 3:52

Totally aspirational and exciting. I mean, it feels like we're coming out of the dark.

Shawn 3:56

Americans, Canadians coming together.

Craig 3:58

That's right, yeah. And even the European Space Agency that's contributed well to this whole Artemis program. And I mean, this is really it feels like this is the Western world taking on the Eastern world. Because the whole original space race, which I will talk about later, you know, started with the competition with the Soviet Union, and now we've got China, China, right?

Shawn 4:17

Yeah, we got to race back to the moon again almost, right?

Star Trek Blowback And YouTube Clout

Craig 4:19

And there's this kind of like paradox of like we are our best sales when we actually are competing with each other because there's this just drive to kind of outdo. Otherwise, if we didn't have it, it would be like, meh, what do you want to do?

Shawn 4:30

Yeah, no, a hundred percent. And it's funny we're talking about Project Hail Mary, and I just want to bring this up because I think it's interesting. But did you see Andy Weir, who's the author of Project Hail Mary? Yep. He he was uh doing an interview and he uh basically slammed Alex Kurtzman, who is the showrunner and writer for the all the Star Trek, the new Star Trek shows.

Susie 4:52

The new terrible ones.

Shawn 4:54

He said, Oh, those shows are shit. Yeah. Yeah, oh yeah. And and so that got a lot of oh yeah, it got a lot of play.

Craig 5:01

A lot of anger. He he did backtrack, apologize a little bit.

Shawn 5:04

He did apologize to Alex Kurt Kurtzman.

Craig 5:07

Which I don't think he should have.

Shawn 5:08

I mean that's the my question.

Craig 5:09

But what this is what's so interesting about he's right. Yeah, he is. He's it's it's it's an abomination, those, those, those the new ones.

Shawn 5:16

Oh I I like Strange New Worlds and Lower Dax a little bit, but but the other ones are well because it it's uh more in line with the spirit of the original Star Trek.

Craig 5:24

The latest ones are just like 90210, it's just ridiculous um in space. But uh fundamentally, and it's all uh extremely wokish, which we've talked about in the past, but um he what makes that story interesting is that he did that interview with Critical Drinker. And it what what really what makes that interesting is that uh now you have these YouTubers, right? Because it turns out that you know Star Trek Academy, for example, it turns out that they had on average 40,000 viewers. That's nothing, and they were spending millions an episode. So so here they are, and and you get him saying that this is just shit. And uh the pylon, the attack on people like Critical Drinker and these other YouTubers who are being blamed for canceling this show is first of all ridiculous. But what's interesting is being honest, well, yeah, I that's how I wanted to say reviewing their shite. But these YouTubers are producing uh shows about these shows and have much bigger audiences than 40,000. Right. Right? Right. So you there's a there's a m fundamental shift taking place in terms of kind of like I don't want to call it power, but influence, and it's it's on YouTube.

Shawn 6:37

Well, I Andy Weir said his comments were meant to be self-deprecating um because after his Star Trek pitch was rejected. So I guess he had re he had pitched pitched an idea to the showrunners and uh for a different Star Trek show, probably a really cool, science-oriented one. Yeah, and they rejected it.

Craig 6:56

So But is isn't it a little bit refreshing? Like a little bit, you know, speaking truth.

Shawn 7:01

He he's absolutely right. Yeah. And hasn't Star Trek always been bad? I'm sorry, but I mean, like, like come on. I mean, yeah, it it's always been bad. And you know what, since we've lost all the women uh listeners right now, because all we're talking about is fucking Star Trek. Yeah, hang in there. Uh come on back, ladies, come back into the room. It'll get better. Just wait. But like those shows are terrible. I'm sorry. I I they're just always bad. They're ones I put on when I don't have to pay attention to the show. Yeah. Like I'm falling asleep. I mean, I grew up with I know you're a you're kind of a tracky. I I I like the movies and stuff, but again, again shows no, not so much.

Craig 7:37

I've always been into like the next generation for shows like that, because they just I was having sex when that came up.

Shawn 7:44

So that was grade 12 for me. So there's no way I was watching that stuff. I was out partying.

Susie 7:50

Yeah, yeah.

Craig 7:52

Fair point. Fair point.

Shawn 7:53

Yeah. But I'm sure you watched lots of it was nerding out. Yeah.

Craig 7:56

Yeah, nerding out and uh watching these shows, which were anyways.

Shawn 7:59

I thought that was funny, that whole uproar and ah, and it's by the way, Starfleet Academy. I oh, I watched the first three or four of those. They're just terrible.

Craig 8:08

Yeah, I couldn't, I have not watched unwatchable. Exactly.

Shawn 8:12

Holly Hunter, I just like, what is she doing on that show? Yeah. I'm sure at first it was uh like, oh, this is gonna be kind of a different thing for me. Yeah, but it's she's so out of place on that show is this hippie kind of weird. Like she sits. Have you seen how she sits in the captain's chair? Oh, I know. With her feet up and curled underneath her. Like she's I'm I'm like, like, I don't even know how to. It's like Joni Mitchell piloting the USS Enterprise.

Craig 8:38

Bare feet, barefoot everywhere. Very strange choices, anyways. And Paramount Plus fired one of the crew, or one of the crew, one of the cast members. Oh, for what? Yeah, well, you I don't know if you heard, but it sounds like what happened.

Shawn 8:50

I'm not up on the Star Trek gossip besides besides the weird stuff.

Craig 8:54

Some of the old legacy uh actors, they'll call legends, uh, went and had a bit of an intervention and had a chat with the new Star Trek Academy crew, or I keep calling the crew, but the cast, and it didn't go well. Are we talking bullying here? It went it went Chris Pine.

Susie 9:12

You said Chris Pine went.

Craig 9:13

Well, I spoke to them.

Shawn 9:14

See, I like those movies, the JJ Abrams Star Trek stuff.

Craig 9:17

Chris Pine was good in his so this one cast member on the new one would just not they would she would not back down, and in the end, she was in such a rage that she went out and then went public and calling out Paramount, calling out everybody, and then Paramount lawyers came in and just went, nope, you're done. She got fired.

Susie 9:37

Hi.

Craig 9:37

And that caused all the other cast to just shut their mouths and say, Hey, we're not, we don't, we're not in line. But it just, you know what? They're all done now, right? Well, they are they are done, but but basically the idea is that you know you could always be retained for future shows or movies and stuff like this, but they went, You're done, you're not coming back. Yeah.

Shawn 9:57

They need to blow that whole franchise up again. It sounds like that's just like Abrams did when he did the movies, yeah, which really invigorated a lot of life back into that franchise. They that's why all those shows came after those movies because of that. So they need to do that again.

New Studio Setup And House Chaos

Craig 10:12

Well, yeah, and it's it's uh of course very controversial. There's some people who didn't like the JJ Abrams whole stuff era, and there's others who like the classics. All right, that's enough of that. Okay. Enough of that.

Shawn 10:24

Yeah, and can we should we talk about the fact that we're in a different room? We're in a different studio, buddy. We've moved. I hate moving.

Craig 10:32

I know it throws me off a bit.

Shawn 10:33

We had to order pizza because none of the appliances were working.

Craig 10:36

Yeah, we're in uh uh the living room. We had to move.

Shawn 10:38

Yeah. I I figure by the end of the the time we're done doing these podcasts, we'll have been in every room. We'll finish in the toilet. Yeah, that'll be the last studio.

Craig 10:46

It'll be intimate.

Shawn 10:47

So we're in a big, huge room, and like I'm sitting in we had a Game of Thrones table here.

Craig 10:52

Yeah, it's huge.

Shawn 10:53

I'm waiting for the server to come by so I can get a fucking drink over here.

Craig 10:57

Yeah, that's because our daughter came back. She finished her degree, and so she's moved back, and now we don't have our studio. So it's just a matter of time.

Shawn 11:05

We're in a bigger studio, that's how I'm selling it. That's a nice look.

Craig 11:08

Yeah, yeah. And I've done some acoustic uh stuff, but if you're listening to us and we sound a little bit different, that there you go.

Shawn 11:13

I'm at like at the other end of the table, and they're at the way at the other end. It's like one of those like uh the king and the queen kind of tables where it's like pass the peppa. And it's like, what? Pass the peppa. You know, it's like you gotta get up and walk down. It's kind of like that idea, but it's quite funny. It's a different vibe for sure. Oh, definitely.

Susie 11:33

Well, the girls were like, Oh, when the when the sound panels were going up, and they're like, Oh, it's it makes it cozier. We like the this edition of stuff and the oh, it's a new look, the new summer studio look.

AI Val Kilmer And Future Movies

Shawn 11:47

And hey, and a happy belated birthday to you, Susie. Thank you. I wanted to make this first podcast out here, just a birthday podcast. But Craig said it wouldn't track it. He said, I think his exact words were not enough traction action. I'm like, oh, okay. Are you guys excited for Val Kilmer's new movie? He's dead. Exactly. Thank you. He's dead. Exactly. It's called As Deep as the Grave, and we're gonna have a new Val Kilmer movie, completely AI generated Val Kilmer. Oh. That he signed off on before he died. Uh, he wanted to be a part of this project so bad, apparently, and his family has signed off on this. And so this is coming out now. Have you seen the trailer?

Craig 12:30

We have not.

Shawn 12:31

Okay, I have not. Let's watch it. It looks good. It does look good. This is my kind of movie, actually. I love this kind of movie. Right. Yeah. So it's a it's like now. We don't know yet, but it's a historical.

Craig 13:31

I just have to say how strange it is to see Val Kilmer, knowing he's dead. It's it's crazy.

Shawn 13:37

As Deep as the Grave is like a historical action film that uses authorized generative AI to feature the late Val Kilmer who died in what, 2025? April, just just recently.

Susie 13:47

A year ago.

Shawn 13:48

So uh, and it follows archaeologists in the 1920s, uh, American Southwest, and features Kilmer is Father Finton. So I just saw that trailer. It does look really good. So I my thought, of course, is we're all gonna shit all over this and because it's so weird to have this guy, you know, coming back. Yeah. What if it's really good? And what if this what if the film's nominated for like Oscars and stuff? And then what do you now? Do we have a separate category, like where we have AI uh nominations for best performance by an AR AI or generated family take it, like you know, receive it?

Craig 14:24

Like, what do you do? You don't think you do that at all?

Shawn 14:26

But it's just just my my curiosity was piqued, you know.

Craig 14:29

But seriously, like so you what do you give it to AI?

Shawn 14:33

Well, no, I mean you don't do the awards, right? I mean, obviously they'd be they'd be technical awards.

Craig 14:37

I know, but I know, but but but this these are like these are like mind-bending philosophical questions here.

Shawn 14:42

Well, that's what I why I brought it up. Exactly. Like, do you have a separate category for best artificial intelligence uh performance? Well, totally, exactly.

Craig 14:50

Like I knew that Val Kilmer was being used uh for his uh AI and they agreed to this, but I didn't bother to go check the trailer.

Shawn 14:57

We didn't think it was gonna work.

Craig 14:58

I'm a little bit fucked up actually watching it.

Shawn 15:00

Well, that's what I mean. So do we start does this does this start becoming a thing? Well, it's like all the actors start going, hey, actually, this is really good. And uh I want to be 30 again. Yeah, I want to like does Tom Cruise go, I want to be 30 again in a movie.

Susie 15:12

Like at the same time, if they can just do it in AI, then are not actors gonna be worried that oh fuck, I don't have a job.

Shawn 15:19

Well, that's what the whole industry is saying. Yeah, that's what the whole industry is saying.

Susie 15:25

Not only can they AI AI you to be 30, they can AI you right out.

Shawn 15:30

So the film looks great. It does like visually, it looks stunning. And and so I'm excited to see it. I think it will probably get a lot of people out to see it because they're curious, you know.

Susie 15:40

Well, I think you talked about it in it, or we have talked about it in some of the shows, how we it was in this loop of like, you know, remakes and second and third and fourth uh sequels, and and there was new, and then all of a sudden there's like now we're just like on the cusp. There's a shift and we're shifting into this whole new world.

Space Race History To Artemis Context

Craig 16:00

And that's why all this episode just seems all to come together because we got Artemis II, we've got Project Hale Mary. It feels like we're like I said, we're coming out of the dark ages and we're coming into kind of a more aspirational era.

Shawn 16:11

I agree.

Craig 16:11

And you know what? And it's interesting because it it it it does all play itself nicely because it's actually been over just over 50 years since man has or human beings have actually explored beyond space, like into space. I mean, yes, we've had ISS International Space Station, we've had things like um missions like the Space Shuttle, but they've all been orbital. Right. And they've never gone back. It's been 50 years since since the uh last Apollo mission and Apollo 17.

Shawn 16:38

That's incredible. It's been 50 years.

Craig 16:40

Yeah, it's crazy.

Susie 16:40

50, more than 50. It was April 13th, 1970, that the Apollo 13 Yeah, but Apollo 13, but that wasn't the last one. That wasn't the last.

Craig 16:51

Apollo 17 was the last. Because the 18 Apollo 18, 19, and 20 missions were cancelled.

Shawn 16:57

Right. So Artemis 2 is like the first accrued mission in 50 years, and then they're traveling or they traveled farther from Earth than anyone, right? The farthest, yeah.

Craig 17:08

There's a lot of um energy around this. A lot of people are very excited about this, naturally, because like we said, it's been a long time. And I think human beings are generally looking forward to this general uh, you know, looking forward to positive excitement.

Shawn 17:22

It's fun when we band together to watch something as a as a whole. You know? Yeah.

Craig 17:28

So just a little backstory uh in terms of kind of the context of this, it all really began in 1957 when those Soviets fucked up the Americans and scared the crap out of the Americans because they sent a orb, a satellite, the equivalent of a large beach ball with four antennas attached to it, that had some basic batteries and was signaled back to Earth. You know, and it scared the sound? It scared the crap out of the Americans. To the point that in the next year NASA will be created, 1958.

Shawn 18:04

And did you know NASA stands for oh wait, yeah, we went over that. Right, we're sorry. Okay, I got it.

Craig 18:09

And the entire educational system in America was redone. Massive levels of investment into science, engineering, mathematics, universities got more funding. It was this whole collective movement to kind of up ourselves. So, and then what began all that was the Mercury program, which then was all about so there's really kind of three stages that I just want to contextualize this. So you got the Mercury program, which was all about this idea is can we even actually put human beings in space? Is it even possible? A few missions, uncrewed, then crude.

Susie 18:42

So the Soviet's bubble was uncrude, obviously. It just had batteries and some noises.

Craig 18:46

Yeah, Sputnik won. And then eventually they will send monkeys. Yeah, well, they send up a dog.

Shawn 18:53

And then you get Planet of the Apes.

Craig 18:55

Oh, that's yeah, they send a dog up, Leica.

Susie 18:57

Terrible.

Craig 18:58

And the dog uh did not return. Yeah. Um and it's still up there somewhere. It uh yeah, using its tail.

Susie 19:04

I don't couldn't fix it anything when shit went wrong.

Craig 19:09

Yeah, yeah. No, poor Leica never made it back. But uh then the Americ uh then the Soviets uh in 1961, Yuri Gagarin uh was sent in space, and then of course the Americans did a suborbital uh flight, Alan Shepherd. And uh, but still then the Soviets sent up the first female, um, and then there they were the first to do the space walk. So the Americans felt really, really pressured to kind of like catch up, and then eventually they did, you know, even though Kennedy it looks like Kennedy was the guy who really kind of spearheaded, and in many ways he did, but it was all Eisenhower beforehand that kind of set the stage. So the Mercury Mercury program leads to the Gemini program, which is about then managing what to do in orbit, you know, capsules, connections, and learning more about living in space for long term. They sent more people, and then that all kind of leapfrogs off into the Apollo mission, which was the kind of lunar landing. And that was the whole goal to show America, to show the world that they can leapfrog ahead of the Soviet Union and take charge, which they end up doing. The Apollo 11 mission became the first lunar landing.

Shawn 20:20

Love the uh Tom Wolf, The Right Stuff book. And I remember seeing the right stuff when I was very young. My dad took me to that movie, which is exactly what you're talking about. Great, great film. Yeah. Yeah. Ed Harrison that, blank John Glenn, who would come back to play another astronaut in uh Apollo 13. Yeah, anyways.

Craig 20:36

Yeah, no, and that's that's just a summary of it, and I just wanted it, which gives us the context to our talk today about Artemis 13 and the uh movie about you know, movie Apollo 13, and then which of course leads us to Artemis.

Shawn 20:51

Yeah, and Artemis. And so I learned a bunch of stuff that was interesting about Artemis. Like I didn't know that the first Artemis mission that was unmanned that went up there, yeah, like came back down and they lost some heat shields on the re-entry. Did you hear that?

Craig 21:05

Yeah, that yeah, yeah. And so they redesigned Artemis too.

Shawn 21:08

Yeah, yeah. But I mean, that's just something that you're thinking about, obviously, when you're coming back down at what, 22,000 miles an hour. Yeah, whatever it is. I mean, I think the heat shields, it's like half the half the heat of the sun or something they get on it.

Craig 21:21

Like 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit. 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit. About 2600 Celsius, I think, something like that.

Susie 21:28

Burning fire.

Shawn 21:29

You gotta be thinking about that as you're you're plummeting back down towards I mean, yeah. So they had their own drama Artemis II, just like Apollo 13 had, you know, drama. Um, the toilet broke. The toilet. Oh, yeah. Shitter's broken. I know. And it was chilly night the night before, which is never good. Uh so it was interesting because they had a bunch of ice spilled up on the toilet, so they had to rotate the capsule towards the sun to thaw it.

Susie 21:52

Oh, I know.

Shawn 21:53

They had to call a space plumber, actually.

Susie 21:54

Yeah, the female astronaut was their space plumber. Apparently, it smelled super bad too.

Shawn 22:01

I told you it was chilly night.

Susie 22:02

It was chilly.

Craig 22:03

But that the funny thing is, is that I they had to, didn't they have to go back to what they did in the Apollo missions? Which is there was no toilet in the Apollo missions. They simply had uh sealable bags, like Ziploc bags, and you you take a leak or you take a shit in it. And that's what the astronauts said, which the worst part of the entire thing is that the smell, because there's no privacy, and you have to then just take a dump and seal this. That's the and if you don't get it all, and then it ends up floating around in that capsule.

Shawn 22:38

That's the kind of thing you want to do on the dark side of the moon. Yeah. When when like you're cut out, I think it's six minutes, they lose um, they lose communication. That's right. You know what happens then. Space orgy. Everybody's hooking up, dude.

Susie 22:51

Six minutes. Six minutes. Got six minutes.

Apollo 13 Rewatch And Why It Works

Shawn 22:53

Yeah. So did you guys watch Apollo 13 again? Is my question to you guys. We did. We did. And what did what did you guys think? Like going back, well, you probably haven't seen it. And what? How old is Apollo 13? It's 30 years.

Craig 23:05

In 1995.

Shawn 23:05

1995.

Craig 23:07

Yeah, I think it is. Yeah. You know, I have to say, I was talking to Susie about this. I used to watch reruns all the time when I had cable TV. Like I'd flip through channels and I'm like, oh, this is on. And that's how I'd re-watch shows.

Shawn 23:18

A lot of shows, yeah.

Craig 23:19

Then I stopped paying for cable and of course streaming. And then I just don't, that doesn't happen. So I actually stopped re-watching stuff that I really, really enjoyed. I'm kind of in that mode right now. And we and because of this podcast, we did that with Apollo 13 with Tom Hanks and Kevin Bacon, and right, and you said Ed Um Ed Harris, Bill Paxton.

Shawn 23:40

Yeah um you got Kathleen Quinlan. Um and it was really well done. Yeah. It's it's fantastic. It's so it's it's based on the 94 book by Jim Lovell.

Craig 23:50

Um and what I read about Tom Hanks and his uh he the Tom Hanks was apparently so determined to make sure that everything was so utterly accurate that apparently the directors were like just press a couple of buttons and make it. And he's like, No, no, I want to know exactly what the buttons like. Well, they went to NASA. Yeah, and they made sure everything has to they trained. And Tom Hanks was fixated on these things.

Shawn 24:13

Well, this is a passion for him.

Craig 24:14

I mean, he's loved space, and I appreciate that about him.

Shawn 24:16

He did the same thing with saving Private Ryan. They all went and trained to be for the World War II movies.

Craig 24:22

And apparently, every element in that movie, Apollo 13, was absolutely bang on.

Shawn 24:26

You can tell. Yeah, yeah. You can tell by all of the speak, the speak, but like like when they're in the capsule talking to Command Center in Houston, it's all like the real NASA speak. It didn't change or Hollywood it up or so it should be.

Craig 24:38

Yeah, because Tom Hang said basically the story holds on its own. It's so good, you don't need to amend anything or or well.

Shawn 24:45

It's funny you say that because nobody in Hollywood wanted to make that movie.

Craig 24:48

Really?

Shawn 24:49

We already know the ending. And Hollywood does not want it's like Titanic. Like, we know the boat six. Why are we making this movie? And so the same thing happened with Apollo 13. Nobody would make the movie.

Craig 24:59

Oh, that's so interesting.

Shawn 25:01

Who they go, are there aliens? No, there's no aliens. Are there space battles? No, there's no space battles. Um, so who's the bad guy? Math. Math is the bad guy. Uh, this is about engineering and aeronautics and like, and so nobody would touch it.

Craig 25:15

And finally, I just wonder if Hollywood has its head screwed on straight.

Shawn 25:19

Because you know, every every film ever made is done like this, though. It's like we don't want to make that movie. Star Wars, we don't want to make it. It's terrible. Yeah. It's horrible. Then it comes out, we we love that idea the whole time. Yeah, we were 100% behind it, we loved it.

Craig 25:31

Well, and that's why we end up getting all these uh bloody reruns because they don't actually want to do anything new. They they they they don't have the courage or the you know risk taking, you know.

Shawn 25:40

Until it's successful, then they exactly said.

Craig 25:43

I mean, it gets I get business is risk-averse, but it's a little bit painful.

Shawn 25:46

So they they said it was gonna be boring and they didn't want to do it, but let's just go over it became the third highest grossing movie of 1995 behind Die Hard with a Vengeance and uh another little movie, Toy Story. Oh isn't that funny? So you got Woody, he's playing Woody. Thanks. That's what I mean. He's playing Woody and he's playing, yeah. And then uh it earned 154 million in its opening weekend, which the studio went, Wah? They couldn't believe it. They thought it was just gonna be this like, who's gonna go see that NASA science movie? Yeah, you know, and then it ended up finishing with 355 million at the box office. Um, so unfortunately for Apollo, it was sorry, it was nominated for nine Academy Awards, including Best Picture, not nominated for best director, which I never understand. So no nomination for Ron Howard. And and like he should have got one because that's direction is unbelievable. Yeah. All the like you said, Craig, all the technical stuff. Yeah, I mean, it's incredible. But unfortunately, it was in the same year that Braveheart came out. And that was like they just decided we're gonna give everything to Braveheart, right? Interesting.

Susie 26:47

So nominate so Apollo 13 nominated for nine awards.

Shawn 26:51

Nine Oscars. It won for Best Sound and it won for best film editing.

Susie 26:54

One too.

Shawn 26:55

Two of them. Two of them out of nine. Uh Ed Harris was nominated for playing Gene Kranz, who's the mission control guy, and also Kathleen Quinlan playing Marilyn Lovell. Yeah. Uh was nominated. And she's fantastic in that. Because they had to put that human element in there because it would have been all just science. And so they had to bring that into it, right?

Craig 27:15

When you talk about, you know, what's her name? Marilyn, you know? Yeah.

Shawn 27:18

Lovell. She she just passed away as well. That's right. Yeah. Both of them are gone now.

Craig 27:24

We just talked about this last night. And of course, Jim Lovell died in uh 97 in 2025.

Shawn 27:30

Pretty good, man.

Craig 27:30

Yeah.

Shawn 27:31

Okay. Ron Howard wanted the film to feel inhabited, not recreated. Oh, is his quote. Oh. So that's why they they added uh a few sort of the human elements to it, like Marilyn's watching the fancy watched that whole thing happen. What did you think of the superstitious stuff? Because I thought that was interesting. She's so wrapped up in that it's 13. Oh, yeah. And then all she has the nightmares, then she loses her wedding ring down the drain the day of the and and then she didn't want to go to the she didn't want to go. I love that scene though when she shows up. She shows up on the other side of the street or the road. And then and then the engine misfires to taking off. They've got what, five engines?

Craig 28:09

Five ones. One of them goes out. Five. Engine five goes.

Shawn 28:12

And so they decide, you know, mission control decides they can continue with the other just a little bit.

Craig 28:17

The other engines. It'll take a little bit longer, but they can do from it.

Shawn 28:20

And then Level says, Well, we got our one glitch out of the way, guys. Right. Foreshadowing.

Craig 28:24

And it wasn't just her that that was concerned about Apollo 13. It was a lot of engineers that were concerned about this. And so uh, yeah, the fourth the fifth engine goes out, they make it up, but uh thinking that they've got their glitch out of the way and it's gonna be smooth sailing after that. Yeah, and then lo and behold, it just gets worse and worse.

Shawn 28:43

Then you've got Ken Mattingly getting sick or potentially having measles exposed. There's another thing happening, and now he's got to be replaced. And this is similar to me. I I remember when I was gonna play Peter Pan in grade four, and I got chicken pox, and I was replaced by Sarah. Oh and she took over the Peter Pan role.

Craig 29:07

So is that a real name? Do we have to cut that out? Yes, it is. I will cut that out.

Shawn 29:13

And by by by Lara Lara Maud. And it's really the same thing. And I couldn't go on, and and that really changed the projection of my life. Absolutely.

Susie 29:25

Well, it changed the show, that's for sure.

Tom Hanks Peak Era And Craft

Shawn 29:27

So I'm thinking about all these correlations with with this movie. Like I'm thinking, okay, then you've got Gary Shenice, right, in this film playing Mattingley. And he just did Forrest Gump with Tom Hanks. So he was Lieutenant Dan. And so there's so many scenes where he's sitting in a chair and it's like he's in the wheelchair again, and he's talking to Jim Lovell, the character of Jim Lovell with Tom Hanks, and it's just like so much correlation. You're thinking at any minute he's gonna, you know. There's a line in Forrest Gump, I kid you not, that that uh Gary Schneese says, he goes, You're a you're a fishing boat or you're a shrimp boat captain. He goes, If you're a shrimp boat captain, I'm an astronaut. I'm not joking. That's a line from Forrest Gump. And then they go, and then now he is an astronaut in the next film. It's interesting though, that Hanks, because this is Hanks at his cinematic greatness. He's got the most, he's the hottest actor in the world right there at Apollo 13. Yeah. You remember, like, okay, let's just talk about Hanks for a sec. Okay, he starts with big, right? Big, Penny Marshall. He we love big. He gets nominated for an Oscar for it. A lot of people think he should have won. Um, and so, and then he sort of falls off the rails, like in terms of box office and stuff. Like the man with one red shoe. See, this is the problem with notes. I need a big fucking teleprompter, dude. Come on, get on that, Craig. I know. Did a lot of homework this time. Let's hold, dude.

Craig 31:00

When I rebuild the studio, it's gonna have a big screen TV for you.

Shawn 31:03

No, I have I want to do this properly. Hang on. You you got Hanks, he does Splash with Ron Howard as well, which is kind of that's his first thing. And then he does big. So he kind of becomes a film actor at that point, right? He's like nominated for an Oscar. And then he kind of falls off the rails. He's got Turner and Hooch, Punchlines, Volunteers. Stop me if you've seen any of these. Joe versus the volcano, the money pit, the man with one red shoe, the burbs, which now the burbs is kind of a cult classic. And then he's got the biggest flop in Hollywood, people talk about the bonfire of the vanities. Oh, yeah. Which is a Tom Wolf book as well. And that was Bruce Willis, and I think it was Melanie Griffith and Tom Hanks, and it was supposed to be the biggest movie of the year, and it tags. So nobody would hire Tom Hanks, right? He's kind of not working. Now, two women come back into his life. Penny Marshall comes back into his life again, and he does a little movie called League of Their Own. And people go, kind of go, oh, remember when we loved Tom Hanks? Because he's funny in League of Their Own, right? There's no crying in baseball. And then Nora Efron comes into his life, and we do Sleepless in Seattle, and people really remember that they like Tom Hanks again. Yeah. And this generates a little bit of movement in his career. And then, of course, 93 and 94 never happens in Hollywood. He does a little movie called Philadelphia. Oh yeah. Where he so that movie is best picture and he gets best actor. And then 94, we do a little movie called Forrest Gump. And that is best picture and best actor. When does that happen? That's you got to go all the way back to Spencer Tracy winning back-to-back Oscars. Wow. Yeah. Spencer Tracy and of course his partner, Katherine Hepburn. Yeah. Who won back-to-back Oscars as well. Those are the only people. There's one more actress to do it as well. If I could find my notes, I'd do it.

Susie 32:53

She'll come up. We'll we'll get there later.

Craig 32:55

His filmography is bloody impressive.

Shawn 32:58

Well, that's but like, so those two movies really cement him again as Tom Hanks, the star. And then he goes on, of course, to do Apollo 13 and Castaway and Saving Private Ryan. Yeah. And you know, uh Catch Me If You Can, which I love that film too. There's so many, right? So that's the Tom Hanks that we all. There was a like a really big period where Tom was not not doing those movies. He also produced and narrated HBO's Earth to the Moon, which was what you were talking about. The all the Apollo missions. So that was a great show.

Susie 33:29

Amazing.

Shawn 33:29

Anyway, so it's just interesting how into space and into World War II, Tom Hanks is, right? He just loves that. What's really interesting about filming that movie is it's the first time that they actually wanted to use weightlessness in film, right? Because CGI sort of just started. It's the early 90s, right? Mid-90s, sorry, mid-90s. So CGI isn't quite there yet. Yeah. So they're literally talking about using teeter totters and mime for the weightless shots. Like how to how to create them. You say mime? Miming. Can you imagine coming down to the studio? You're in a studio exec, and you've got you see Tom Hanks on a like a box miming, like miming weightlessness. Yeah. Like how do you do it? Yeah. Right. Because the CGI was so not there yet. It would look so cheesy. They were talking about miming. Like they were actually learning mime. Oh god. Like so that they could do these weightless scenes where they would be like, this is what what can you do, right? Yeah. So they actually talk to Steven Spielberg. Of course. Who doesn't? I mean, you got to talk to Steven if you got. So Ron Howard talks to Steven and how are we going to shoot these things? And they they bring up the KC 135, the old vomit comet. Right? And so they think, hey, can we actually shoot up there in this plane? She's a you'd love this plane. Oh. The one that takes you up and then drops and then kicks you up and then drops.

Craig 34:49

So just for a few seconds, your weightlessness and record.

Shawn 34:52

20 23 to 25 seconds. Yeah. So can you imagine they recreate the pod?

Susie 34:57

Terrible work day.

Shawn 34:58

How about 13? How about 13? Uh ironically. How about 13 terrible work days? And how about 600 drops? Oh.

Craig 35:06

There were a lot of 13s in this.

Shawn 35:08

Yes. So they recreate a lighter construction of the of the unit, of the, of the, I think it's the Orion or whatever they call the capsule, right? Yep. And so all of those weightless shots where they're playing the radio and it's spinning around and they're laughing and having fun. That's the that's they're shooting that in tiny little segments over 13 days. And they're all so sick because of this. You can imagine. So they're all on nausea and diarrhea pills and all it they all say it was the worst experience of their lives. I think that's hilarious.

Craig 35:43

And that's of course relative. I mean, you're you're in a fucking ship that gives you this sense of weightlessness. That's exciting.

Shawn 35:49

I do want to say I loved that um in the movie level doesn't like there's a great scene where Tom looks at the moon and realizes he's not going to be able to land on it when he has that fantasy sort of dream sequence where it's him walking down the ladder, climbing down the ladder, jumping on the moon. There's that scene where he names the mountain after Marilyn, which is true. And then I love that I heard that the commander of Artemis too, his wife passed away um a couple of years ago, and he named they named a crater after his wife. So there's this correlation happening between Artemis and Apollo, which is just it's it's incredible.

Craig 36:28

You know, when when you look at the story of Apollo 13, you realize that all it takes is one little mistake that can be catastrophic. And in this case, with the Apollo 13 mission, it came down to an oxygen tank that had been dropped just oh apparently two inches, just off the ground, just a two-inch drop. And then a combination of things where during the testing they had uh put too much voltage into it, and which then caused the sh sheathing the insulation around the wiring inside this O2 tank to then kind of melt and burn a bit. So then the exposed wire while they were up there doing a routine check with the oxygen tanks, and that's that scene where Kevin Bacon presses the button to stir the tiny tank. And then it caused What did you do? Exactly. And he's you know, you're you're feeling like you caused this shit, but you didn't.

Susie 37:23

Well, and you're the new guy on the block that got the job after Well, he's a yeah, pressure, right?

Craig 37:28

Yeah, and so he presses the button, which causes a spark in the tank, and then of course, oxygen being flammable, boom, destroyed the that tank, then the second tank, which by the way wasn't even necessary to be there, was just a backup redundancy one, then explodes, and now you've got uh oxygen venting out into space, and then they realize they've got literally just minutes to get out of the command capsule, the command unit, to then get into and the lifeboat, which becomes the lunar module. That's right.

Shawn 38:01

And you gotta transfer all the coordinates from one computer to the other and do math while they're all like no sleep and math to save my life. Oh fuck.

Craig 38:11

Me too.

Shawn 38:12

Math under pressure would put me I'd be dead. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's what I'm saying. I mean, I wouldn't be up there in the first place. I mean, I gotta I've been gone to community college. I mean, I have no business being in space. Um the pressure, unbelievable. English lit degree is gonna get me up there, huh? Um probably not. I I always love that that and I there's a documentary on Netflix called Apollo 13 Survival, which is the actual documentary about Apollo 13, and it's so close to the movie that I recommend it highly because it's like watching the Tom Hanks movie, but for real. That's right. They cut it in such a way that it kind of follows the movie.

Susie 38:49

And watch that, right?

Shawn 38:50

Yeah, there's that scene where they actually show the the shuttle, they could see the shuttle. Yes, after after they get into the damage. And they could see the damage, and you they're like, How are we alive? Yeah. Like that that realization of how lucky they are, because it's all blown apart. Yeah. There's um some great little Easter eggs as well in the Apollo 13 movie. Oh, is that right? Yeah, there's like at the end of the movie when they land and they're on the uh, is it the Iwo Jima, the USS Iwo Jima that picks up the you know the astronauts and and Lovell, you know, walks onto the deck, Tom Hanks, and and he shakes the uh military guy's hand, and it's it's Jim Lovell. And in in the movie, and there's a great shot of Hanks shaking his hand, you know, when they when they all get off and they're relieved, and Kevin Bacon steps out of the helicopter and and onto the deck and he's like, Let's dance! No, no, no, no. Well, I gotta cut loose. A but loose. Didn't you see that scene at the end? They cut that they cut that out of the movie, but it was in the bloopers. Yeah. That was in the extras, the extras, the DVD, the director's cut. Everybody cut, everybody cut. Everybody, there's a whole crew just dancing. I gotta cut loose. I love loose Iwo Jima. Fuck Apollo 13. Let's talk about Footloose, dude. Why couldn't they dance, dude, in that town? Uh or in the capsule. That's a true story. Uh, that town. Yeah. Let's just derail this whole podcast and go to Footloose. Footloose. Yeah, that was a true story. There was a little town in the States that they could work. Yeah, they're they're not allowed to dance.

Susie 40:25

Yeah.

Shawn 40:25

Anyway, so that's a time. Another time. Another great movie.

Susie 40:28

Yeah. Uh another show.

Shawn 40:31

No dancing on the moon.

Craig 40:33

I I love this stuff because it just terrifies you when you if you put yourself in these situations. So no oxygen means no electrical power, and no electrical power means no propulsion systems. So meaning you're now dead in the water, or in this case, dead in space. So the trip only needed one oxygen tank, but they had the second, but they're now both gone. And no one knew during that explosion if the heat shield was damaged, and therefore the whole re-entry process could then go out the window. And so there are so many circumstances that they're doing everything in their power to bring these guys back, but it all comes down to that heat shield. Yeah, and apparently the Soviet Union actually reached out for support and anything that they could do. So it really kind of like brought the world together.

Shawn 41:21

Yeah, they didn't mean it. No, it's just something you gotta say. It doesn't matter. Good. All right.

Craig 41:28

So they get into the Aquarius and rely on that as a lifeboat, and the command module needed to be like completely shut off. They had 15 minutes to do that to basically transfer all that computer information into the new one. And again, pressure. And so now they are floating towards the moon. They becomes real that they can't land on the damn thing, but they're now gonna rely on the orbit to kind of swing them back towards the earth, but their whole uh trajectory was towards a lunar landing, so they actually had to like burn the engines to increase the speed to change the altitude of the moon's orbit so that it would swing them around and then bring them back. But all the while, while they're in the the uh lunar module, which was only designed for two people, they got three of them in there and they didn't figure out they were like, why is the carbon dioxide levels increasing? And they went, oh god, we didn't take into account. And of course, this is one of those design things that you never really you have all these contingency plans, but you never really think about, oh, so we've got like round scrubbers and square scrubbers, carbon dioxide scrubbers in these two different, you know, units. Yeah. And they now have to bring them together. And they they literally used duct tape, uh, cardboard, and what was the third one? Plastic.

Susie 42:48

Plastic. I loved how down at Nassau they they're like, this is what they have to work with. That's a great thing. And they pulled every single thing that they have access to, put it on the table, and this is what we have to make. That's what they have up there.

Craig 43:02

Well, this goes back to what you said earlier about how like Hollywood went, what's the point here? I walk, you know, you I know the outcome, I know the history here. Everyone does, but it doesn't mean that I don't get excited about it every time. And even we rewatched the documentary that you just mentioned, I'm getting emotional.

Shawn 43:20

Yeah. And the other thing that is funny is that the whole world was watching that on TV, including his kids, by the way, in school. Yeah.

Craig 43:28

You might want to pull your kids out if you're uh Isn't it interesting that NASA had those, I forget the name of it, but there we go.

Susie 43:36

Oh, that's what they gave Maryland.

Craig 43:38

Yeah, multiples in the in the house. And so wherever you're going, you can listen to it, whether whether things are going well or not. And that's when you're like, oh, really? Okay. So now you got m the wife who's going a Marilyn, who's like, oh, what the hell?

Susie 43:53

But it's not just Marilyn, it's Marilyn and like 40 people everywhere in her house, and then also.

Shawn 44:00

All the media outside, like yeah, and then you've got Neil Armstrong and and coming over to console and sitting with the mother's mom. Yeah, that's right.

Susie 44:10

Who are you boys?

Shawn 44:11

She has that great line. I can't remember it. She says, uh, my Jimmy could land a washing machine if it if it could fly or something like that. I can't remember the line. You can do anything, you can do anything, yeah. Yeah.

Craig 44:23

I I always love the stories where you have pretty much everyone rallying, and that's what you saw in ground control. Everyone came together. And so now they do this orbit, they go out of communication for like, you know, like you said, six minutes or so. And then they have to do another burn because the They don't have the same weight, right?

Shawn 44:44

They don't have the space rocks. That's right.

Craig 44:46

So they're gonna bounce off the So their math was off because they had forgotten to take that into account. So then because that's the scary part. They're threading this needle and they have to now this because the lunar capsule, I think, only had about 45 hours of oxygen or life support, but they still had 90 hours to go to return to Earth. So then they had to shut down all the power, which meant that the temperature went down to three degrees Celsius and they're freezing and they're still having to think. They are sleep deprived. They have to then burn this ship with totally manually by basically lining up the earth. Yeah. And like you said, if they don't get that right, they skip off, they thread that needle, they skip off into space where they'll simply die because from a lack of oxygen.

Shawn 45:32

And Fred Hayes is sick at this whole time.

Craig 45:37

Apparently, the only I don't know, I'll call it a fabrication in Apollo 13 movie is that they they kind of played up the anger. And that doesn't happen. And that doesn't happen. They got a little bit snippy apparently, but not to the level that was portrayed in the movie. And but I think what Ron Howard was trying to do was he was trying to not show the unprofessionalism of these pilots or these these the crew, but that the effect of carbon dioxide poisoning would have on the brain and that it could be.

Shawn 46:09

And sleep deprivation inject some emotion. Yeah. I mean, that was the whole thing. We're talking about, you know, we had to put some suspense into here and some.

Craig 46:18

But they nail it. They they they that second burn allowed them to it's incredible that they nailed it.

Shawn 46:25

Every time I watch that, I go, How the hell did they do that? Yeah.

Susie 46:28

Well, in the documentary, they said like Lovell was in charge of having it not go too far up and down, and the other guy was not too far left and right. Like, like it was like literally trying to keep it straight with the earth in the And it required the three of them in order to make that work. In the crosshairs, right?

Craig 46:47

Quite extraordinary. The last two major issues was getting back into the command module and then firing up and wondering after having multiple hours or days where you have condensation and water buildup.

Shawn 47:02

If the shields are gonna hold.

Craig 47:03

No, not before the shields, just to make sure that the computer fires up and then there's not gonna be any electrical shorting out or that because they've never done this before.

Susie 47:11

It was uh near freezing.

Craig 47:12

And they needed those computers to fire up in order to kind of actually then separate the command module from the lunar module and and then get into the what is it called, the Odyssey, which is the return area re-entry capsule.

Susie 47:24

Yeah.

Craig 47:25

Which is then quite extraordinary because the expectation was, I think it was three minutes and thirty-six seconds, and they were out of communication for almost, I think, what was it, five minutes. It took them about a minute and a half or so longer. And the world is watching what I want what I want to do.

Shawn 47:47

Well, there's three channels at the time, right? So it's not like you know, other if it was today, people would be going like between friends and this and like some other streaming show, and like you know, like you know, just checking in.

Susie 48:00

Yeah, just checking out with the live feed.

Craig 48:02

That's oh my god, that's hilarious.

Susie 48:04

Wow.

Artemis Delays, Moon Bases, Toilet Tech

Craig 48:05

So and then they make it, they land. And uh incredible, incredible story. And now we're here we are with Artemis and this whole new mission, which is now kind of makes sense. Now it'll be interesting to see. I've been reading that the next mission Artemis III was supposed to be the lunar landing, but it sounds like that may have been kiboshed and they're just gonna be doing an orbit mission.

Shawn 48:29

2028, I heard is the next.

Craig 48:31

Pushing this back. So they're their original plan was they want to do three in 2027 and then uh four in 2028, but it sounds like that's gonna be pushed back. They've you know, they got a lot of complications. Yeah. So who knows actually when we are gonna get a moon base being built because they have to do a bunch of things in the meantime, they have to have like a capsule that orbits the moon that then assists in the process of that transportation back and forth. Like it just is extraordinary the complications required to do what they're doing.

Shawn 49:03

Well, it's not rocket science. Oh, wait, it is right.

Susie 49:07

And they gotta fix that toilet, or nobody's gonna want to go up.

Craig 49:10

Exactly. That toilet's a big deal. I think the Japanese are really good with toilets. They they've mastered the toilets.

Shawn 49:17

The Chinese are gonna have a moon base, I think, before it. Um I mean, their technology is insane. You know they got that all going right now. Yeah, it it's you know, there's a lot of uh you know how to do toilets. It's like talking toilets. Oh, I am honored to receive your waste. All of the, I mean, they're top notch, man. Yeah, their toilet technology, man, is on another level, dude. Okay. I think that's a great place to end it, man. Toilets. Toilets.

Craig 49:50

So it could be our lifetime.

Shawn 49:52

A moon landing. Yeah. Yeah. That would be fine.

Craig 49:54

That would be kind of crazy.

Shawn 49:56

You know, you're too tall to be an astronaut. I think right in. You never would have cut, man. See, I got something on you.

Craig 50:01

No, and I I would never be good because I, you know, Susie knows that once I get a headache, uh, I'm out. I'm done. I'm useless.

Shawn 50:07

I gotta get him in one of those capsules, right? He's just too big. We gotta pack him in there.

Susie 50:13

Yeah.

Shawn 50:13

Oh, yeah, I know.

Susie 50:14

He'd be in the corner. Whining migraine.

Shawn 50:16

God, what a nightmare. Can you imagine? I'm stuck in Apollo 13 with Craig, dude. And he's just, he's hungry and nothing's working.

Craig 50:24

Ibuprofen.

Shawn 50:25

Oh my god, dude.

Susie 50:26

Ibuprofen and I need a blanket. It's cold in here. I got a headache.

Craig 50:31

Alright, I'm not that wussy, but you know.

Epilogue: Making The Show Better Without Selling Out

Shawn 50:33

That's a whole other movie, dude. Man, I'll tell you. That's a comedy. That was an incredi. I'm glad that they made it down. I would have been a bummer, dude. That would be a whole different movie. We gotta make sure that the first minute is uh the best part of the show. Uh, because people just go, nope. And uh, we also have to we've got to mention uh five times, we've got to mention the plot uh at the beginning of the thing. Like Mr. Netflix here trying to fucking corporate our podcast. Yeah, just look at it. You've sold out, man. I've sold sold out, dude. Sold out. This was supposed to be some people bowl, some people play tennis, some people do podcasts. This was our hobby. Yeah, and he went corporate, man. He went fucking Hollywood over here.

Craig 51:39

Well, corporate to assume that I'm making money off this.

Shawn 51:42

No, corporate, but just corporate minded though. Corporate, like we've gotta, we've gotta follow the regul follow into the regulations, man. What's popular?

Craig 51:53

No, we're we've probably got a lot of uh Gen Xers, you know. And when I mean a lot, you mean three. Although I have to say they live across the street. A couple of things here, guys.

Susie 52:03

I mean, Craig's gonna be.

Craig 52:06

I am getting excited. April has been an outstanding month.

Susie 52:10

Well, let's look at the pie charts. Yes. So thank you out there. Our few.

Shawn 52:15

So it's been an outstanding month.

Craig 52:18

We have uh our best month by far.

Shawn 52:21

Oh, I mean, I guess it is. We're great. If you like that kind of thing. Uh maybe, maybe once in a while we should say the name of the show. I know. Our show. Our show, and maybe we should say our names. I mean, if we really wanted to do that. I'm I'm willing to say I'm Sean once in a while, and I'm willing to say that the show is basket traffic.

Craig 52:45

Yeah, okay. And and and you're Susie.

Susie 52:47

Yeah, I am. I'm Susie.

Craig 52:48

But you're easy to know because it's Susie. You're in the female voice. Yeah.

Shawn 52:52

It's yeah, and I'm in the uh is he is he a guy or a girl voice? Probably, yeah. You know, I I've changed my mind. I'd love to be stuck in a capsule with you guys. And let's hope that we we have that experience. It's kind of like being stuck in a capsule with you guys. It was in that other studio.

Susie 53:13

Yeah. So now we're in a bigger module. We're in a bigger ship.

Shawn 53:19

These things are always fun for me because I come in with some kind of a plan in my head, and it's like Mike Tyson always said, everybody's got a plan until they get punched in the mouth. Which is what Craig does to me every time. And then I'm like all over the fucking place. I don't know what I'm looking at. I can't remember things. I'm looking for things. I'm like, is this ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics I've written down here? I don't even know what that says.

Craig 53:42

Well, it's entertaining watching you flip through this little note.

Shawn 53:45

I I this is important to me. I want I have things I want to say, and then I don't work. Never never comes out any. It's like like I'm making a cake and it comes out a fucking bagel. You know, it's like, I don't I don't know.

Craig 53:58

Yeah, totally. That's what made has made this so much fun.

Shawn 54:01

That's what's made this hugely successful. It's a big three listeners.

Susie 54:06

Having a plan and watching it go side. Maybe we should have a plan.

Shawn 54:10

Maybe that's what's holding us back.

Susie 54:11

No, we try to.

Craig 54:12

No, we're growing. We're good. Sean has a pen and paper.

Shawn 54:17

Yeah. Uh should we explain what that is to the listeners? If this was the era, man.

Craig 54:22

This is the era of the Apollo mission, you'd fit right in.

Shawn 54:25

Well, I've got a huge fucking Game of Thrones table to write on now. And I actually my pen is one of those felt quills from like medieval times. More mead. Where's the I'm writing my candlelight over here, dude? More mead. Yeah. Are you talking about being in a new room throwing you off?

Craig 54:43

Uh I yeah, uh, you know, I don't know about you, but uh this room fucked me up.

Shawn 54:47

See, that's like uh a good workman doesn't blame his tools. No, I know you're you're correct.

Susie 54:51

Uh um I was blinded by the sunlight.

Shawn 54:54

You like the sunlight. You said you wanted the sun.

Susie 54:56

I like it, and then I'm looking back going, but I wasn't.

Shawn 55:00

Well, every time I looked over you, or you had this fucking face, like you're like wouldn't it be the podcast that like you get cancer now? That's terrible. Stop. A little too dark.

Craig 55:13

Doing this podcasting thing's interesting. We just get so uh wound up and then uh we forget to just chill out.

Shawn 55:19

Well, here's my thing is that we are so sort of focused on the the topic at hand and getting, for me at least, getting the information and and all of that. And then we kind of we forget that we're just having fun and we're supposed to be having fun and we're supposed to be doing this. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And we we we forget stuff that we were talking about. Like we we just had a great conversation about the fact that I haven't seen Tom Hanks in a real movie in such a long time. Is Tom Hanks fallen off the has he fallen off the wheel, a Hollywood wheel has Tom Hanks done? And we're talking about Mark Ruflo because Mark Ruflo is kind of like overexposed right now. Like Pedro Pascal. Like Pedro Pascal, who's in every fucking movie that you ever turn on. I mean, I'm surprised he's not in the in the Arnimus II shuttle, dude, doing something. Right? I mean, is that Pedro Pascal in there?

Susie 56:09

At least not as a he could have been astronaut, too. A greater when they're leaving.

Shawn 56:14

Hey, why don't you bring up the Kurtzman thing? Yeah, we're talking about Star Trek, like bringing that back, and we're talking about the new Star Trek, which we talked about at the beginning.

Craig 56:23

Yeah, so the rumor is right now, again, if you're a Star Trek fan or not, but uh hate it.

Shawn 56:28

No, I'm just kidding.

Susie 56:30

Not no, I'm kidding.

Craig 56:31

Great part of my childhood.

Shawn 56:33

Uh explains explains a lot why you're wearing those ears. Those Vulcan ears. Are those yours?

Susie 56:40

Yeah. That's Friday night.

Shawn 56:42

Susie, you gotta throw those out, dude.

Susie 56:44

That's Friday night.

Shawn 56:46

He's like, I've got one ear. Where's the other one? Who's got my ear? What do you think about this this studio thing? Yeah. How'd it go for you? How did you think? I know Craig is thrown by this, which whatever, but the problem is that uh we know how loud you are, and that's why you put me at the end of the fucking table. I know. This is this is basket traffic after dark.

Craig 57:12

The far side of the moon.

Shawn 57:14

Uh I'm not wearing clothes right now. This is the kinky version. Uh space orgy. Anyways.

Susie 57:21

Six minutes.

Shawn 57:22

This is uh we got six minutes. I only need 30 seconds. Oh, I got one more thing. NASA stands for Hey, move your basket.